Watching last night's Atlanta victory over my beloved Bulls I came to the following conclusions:
1. Ben Gordon and Derick Rose can't play together. Ben Gordon is a ball hog. He's a great shooter, but he needs to dribble the ball about 20 seconds before he gets his shot off. Which is fine except that your best player, Derick Rose needs the rock. With Gordan in the game, we can't get the ball to our best play-maker.
2. Even worse, a Gordan/Rose back-court might as well be an I-Pass lane on defense. Ben Gordon can't guard anyone and Derick Rose's biggest flaw is his soft-defense. Seriously, watch Derick Rose play defense, it looks like he's just pretending to play defense. He shadows his man and makes almost no attempt to actually defend anything. He looks seriously lost on defense.
3. You can't play Nocioni at PF, Deng, Gordon and Rose at the same time and expect to consistently win games. You can't defend teams like that. Atlanta tore us up for 113 points because of that defensive lineup. Since the dawn of time, you win games by playing great defense, not by thinking you can outscore another team with a smaller lineup. Del Negro is not getting this point. Like Skiles, he thinks he can shoot his way out of a loss. Its not going to happen in the long-run. We will suck on offense, but Del Negro needs to start Noah, Gooden, Deng, Tabo and Rose. Bring in Gordon to give Rose a breather. When Hughs comes back he can come in for Tabo. Tyrus relieves Gooden and Gray comes in for Noah. Its not that f'n hard.
4. On that note, I think I would rather have Nocioni play (i.e. start and get more minutes) SF then Deng. Deng is so soft and inconsistent. Noc brings it every night, has a better outside shot, and is a much better defender. Deng is overrated. Noc is Noc. Can we trade Deng for someone?
As I said at the beginning of the season, the Bulls are going to struggle early on. There are too many new faces, a new coach, and a new system. Hopefully, it gets turned around.
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This is flat out stupidity! How can you say that the best lineup the Bulls should have is Noah,Gooden,Nocioni,Tabo, and Rose.
First of all Noah is garbage, he sucks on offense and defense. And his boy from Florida Al Horford scorched his butt the other night, if you look at him play his lungs are full of smoke and he is exhausted after two trips down the floor!!!
Second, Nocioni starting over Deng? Nocioni runs around the hardwood like a wild animal, out of control. He makes stupid decisions with the ball and is an average spot up shooter.
Lastly, Tabo....are you kidding me Tabo?? This guy starting over Gordon?? You do have to play defense to win, but if you cannot score a damn point...you will never compete!!! Yet, you want to bench Gordon and let him relieve Rose??? If you knew any better you'd know that Gordon is by no means a PG...which by the way is the position Rose plays!!! He is a what is called a combo guard is is a primary scorer!!! You obviously do not know a damn thing about basketball because your blog is full of dumb thoughts!! Stop following basketball and follow hockey!!!
Like the enthusiasm of the post. I think you make some valid points, especially that Ben Gordon isn't your typical PG. You refer to him as a combo-guard. But, there is no position called combo guard in the NBA. Thats usually what people call players who are too small to play SG, and can't handle the rock to play PG. Thus, Ben Gordon has no position. Ben Gordon is analogous to Rex Grossman in that he wows you with his offensive talent, but when push comes to shove, you realize that he can't win you championships. Sure BEn will drop 35 points some games (like last night against Dallas), but what happens when they play teams with legit shooting guards? Can you see BEn Gordon guarding Kobe? Paul Pierce? McGrady? Wade? Heck no. Which brings us back to my post. The Bulls can't get the playoffs (and beyond) with a small lineup wiht Gordon and Rose play the guard positions. Gordon will score 30 points, but we'll lose by 15.
Yeah, you're looking real PROPHETIC now pal! Or, should I say PATHETIC?
Get real!
Hinrich, Hughes, Sefalosha...?
Yeah right!
It is so obvious that BG-DR backcourt is the best that the Bulls can field...
The Sports Blogosphere just called....
They said, "Don't give up your day job...."
I hope the Ben Gordon/Rose match-up turns magical. But, I just don't think it will happen. We'll see after the circus trip if it works. Lastly, I want to make a point about Ben Gordon. Its not like I hate him (well I do get pretty frustrated with him). He is our best offensive player. And he is surely better than Tabo. But, I just don't see the Rose/Gordon back court working out against premier (and taller) back courts. Again, I'm a big believer that defense wins championships. I like Ben Gordon coming of the bench for instant offense. We'll see.
Still believe that man?
Go ahead and say it, come on,
"I"
"was"
"wrong".
There, that wasn't so hard was it?
Ben Gordon CAN play with Rose.
End of discussion.
I am wrong in the short-term, but right in the long term. Remember we're 7-8 (hopefully 8-8 come tonight). Lets not get those Banners out just yet. Again, I respect BG. But, I just don't think you can win a championship with a small front court and Rose and Gordon in the backcourt.
Dabinez, Blues, whatever. You guys are idiota. Can you not see the logic here? This dude is not dissing Ben. He's a freaking combo gurad. Combo guards come off the bench to provide relief minutes, not start. Gordon scores forty, yipee! Kobe drops seventy. Don't you get the idea? Matchups. Matchups. Matchups. Kobe can stop Gordon but can Gordon stop Kobe? We have a playmaker in Rose. We can get points. What we cannot do with Gordon on the floor is prevent the other team from scoring. Who cares if you score 120 if the oppossing team can score 122? How hard is that to comprehend? Defense wins championships and Gordon can't defend to save his life. Neither can Rose. If you have two players on the floor who are defensive liabilities on the most explosive scoring positions in the league [think Devin Harris, Tony Parker, Allen Iverson, Kobe, Allen, etc.], you will lose. Might as well have four players on defense. With Rose and Ben at the floor, you might as well have 3 players on defense. With your triple threat of Ben, Rose, and Deng on the floor, the oppossite of the Rodman, Jordan Pippen defensive triumvirate, you might as well not go to the games because your teram will lose anyway. Put Sefolosha in. He can defend and score a bit and let the argentine play his natural sf position. Basketball ga,es are won by having more points than your opponent. Your points don't matter if they have more. Duh! What idiots.
Barog. I appreciate the passion and agree with your points. But, I don't think rtblues, dabiznes are idiots. We just have different opinions. But on to your point. I now believe that BG's best position is coming off the bench. He's instant offense. If teh one's struggle, you put him in there and he gives you clutch scoring. I6th man is his natural position. It allows From Black to put in him to spell Rose and also to try to turn things around with a smaller lineup with him at SG. Again, the only problem with Barog and my logic is who is going to start at SG? I think Hughes actually gives you better defense without losing as much on the offensive end. Its crazy to say b/c I think Hughes will let you down at some point (injury), but he night be the better starter. I wish Tabo would fill that slot or at least play a role off the bench as a defensive stopper. But Del Negro doesn't seem to have the patient to have players develop on the floor (see Tyrus Thomas). He's sticking with the old guys. Something I;m not a fan of.
wow my spelling/grammar were bad in that last post. My apologies.
first of all the starting line-up should be rose,hughes,deng, thomas,gooden. With gordon and nociconi and tabo off the bench depending on the other teams line-up b/c once I'll have to agree with the rest of you all rose/gordon don't do a good job of defending anyone, and sorry guys vinny is not the right coach for this team anyway.
Let's face it guys our bulls are not a very good defensive team no matter who they put out on the floor we need a low post player who can rebound and give us some kind of low post scoring. I think if gray had more playing time he could real improve some with experience on the floor but if not the bulls should try and trade for former bull brad miller who was the best low post player we have had in a long time who could also pass the rock.
I've heard a lot of these Brad Miller rumors lately. I for one am not a big fan of Miller. 1) He's old, (2) I haven't heard his name mentioned in 3 seasons and (3) he still doesn't give us a low post option on offense. He's basically a bigger Gooden who can hit the 15 ft jump shot. Anyway, Bulls have been using the small lineup and winning some games. There is something to be said about going to it sometimes. But I still think its a terrible strategy to take in the long run. We need Tyrus, Noah, Gooden, or Gray (or new trade for a player) to step up. Besides Tyrus, I am not sure any of those other players can take the next on the defensive and offensive end.
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